[arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolution program
"Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch> Fri, 23 August 2019 09:07 UTC
Return-Path: <ietf@trammell.ch>
X-Original-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B772612021C for <architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DElwsAAOIldr for <architecture-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch [128.65.195.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03D351201EF for <architecture-discuss@iab.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp7.infomaniak.ch (smtp7.infomaniak.ch [83.166.132.30]) by smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x7N97IKs008197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for <architecture-discuss@iab.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 11:07:19 +0200
Received: from [IPv6:2a00:79e0:42:206:58d9:bd07:f754:1847] ([IPv6:2a00:79e0:42:206:58d9:bd07:f754:1847]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp7.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x7N97Ijp067186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for <architecture-discuss@iab.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2019 11:07:18 +0200
From: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\))
Message-Id: <B5A0F4E0-D437-4DF9-9918-C35627A8CADC@trammell.ch>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 11:07:18 +0200
To: architecture-discuss@iab.org
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)
X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8
X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/architecture-discuss/o9BDL03t-d6NPIWOl6HjhO0Mw_U>
Subject: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolution program
X-BeenThere: architecture-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: open discussion forum for long/wide-range architectural issues <architecture-discuss.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/architecture-discuss>, <mailto:architecture-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/architecture-discuss/>
List-Post: <mailto:architecture-discuss@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:architecture-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss>, <mailto:architecture-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 09:07:25 -0000
Greetings, all, During the IETF 105 meeting in Montreal, the IAB decided to close the Stack Evolution program in its present form. The initial concept behind the IP Stack Evolution program was to investigate how changes to the whole stack, especially to the transport layer, could be deployed in the big-I Internet, and explore the impact of encryption at the transport layer on evolution of the stack. At the time the program started in 2014, there was not much work yet in and around the IETF in this space. That has changed. QUIC has demonstrated that it is possible to deploy a new transport protocol at scale, and the QUIC WG has nearly finished an IETF standard version of that protocol. TAPS was chartered, and is well on its way to defining an abstract interface that reduces the rigidness of the binding between interfaces and transports. Conversations (many conversations) have started about the balance between measurability and confidentiality, and some of these have found shape in protocols (e.g., in the form of the QUIC spin bit). The discussion isn't over, though; the appropriate place for further discussion on stackevo's topics (or adjacent ones) is here, on the architecture-discuss list. Thanks, cheers, Brian (for the former IAB Stack Evolution Program)
- [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolution … Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Chris Morrow
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Ted Hardie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Chris Morrow
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Christian Huitema
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Fernando Gont
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… John Leslie
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Joe Touch
- Re: [arch-d] FYI: closure of the IAB Stack Evolut… Tony Li