Re: [arch-d] [I18n-discuss] Closing the list

Jared Mauch <> Wed, 13 May 2020 18:20 UTC

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> On May 13, 2020, at 2:13 PM, John C Klensin <> wrote:
> Jared,
> Re:
> There have been multiple comments about that list, the
> observation that it is the _only_ IAB or IETF list available for
> general internationalization discussions (and, for the portion
> of the community that is interested in that work, a good place
> to copy announcements of i18n work and Last Calls), and the
> occasional but important bursts of traffic on it.    AFAIK, the
> first response from the IAB on the subject was this new
> "shutdown in 7 days" announcement.
> Consistent with those comments, if the IAB wants to further
> indicate to the community that either it is uninterested in a
> fully international Internet and the technical and protocol work
> needed to get there or that it does not believe that such work
> is part of the architecture, you should definitely do that.  But
> the result should not be shutting down the list but moving
> responsibility for it to (noting that it is already on
> the IETF's Non-WG list and that the IETF holds the archives),
> creating whatever aliases, and moving over subscribers, as
> needed.
> regards (and from an i18n perspective although with no hats on),
>   Sisyphus

(No hat)

I understand your concern and will ask this list not be touched given your response.  I previously worked for a company that used non-roman characters as their native language, and the prevailing thoughts that English as the the native language and cultural norms of American English sometimes caused a clash in understanding.

It would be good to hear this from others as well.  I will let you know that the list required manual intervention for my subscription to go through so I could post, so if the list is intended to be active, we should also look to understand why and correct that behavior if this is the best venue to discuss internationalization issues with the IAB as well as the broader community.

(I’ll find the details of that and at least let you know in private).

Thanks for your note!

- jared