Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing 5G new services

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 10 April 2020 10:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] ETSI launches new group on Non-IP Networking addressing 5G new services
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Hi Toerless,
At 12:26 PM 09-04-2020, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>Sure, its just my impression that the IETF WG and IRTG RG model
>works a lot better from where i stand than the IAB model.
>I also didn't mean adult supervision in itself as a negativ
>term, i am quite happy that overall it happens in a way it
>does from IESG to WGs. I am just saying that i wish that
>i do not see any benefits in how the IAB is run differently
>from that model.

I did not read your comment as negative.

There was this discussion on an IETF thread in which it was argued 
that an IETF WG was a SDO.  I wonder whether it was made for the sake 
of argument or because that is how the IETF model operates.  The IAB 
is an artefact.  In my opinion, and I could be wrong, the two are not 
comparable.

It is the privilege of IAB members to determine how their committee 
should be run.  Whether I like or do not like does not make any 
difference to the state of affairs.

Regards,
S. Moonesamy