Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-for-the-users-02> (The Internet is for End Users)

Joel Halpern Direct <> Thu, 06 February 2020 15:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] [IAB] Call for Comment: <draft-iab-for-the-users-02> (The Internet is for End Users)
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I do not object to a bias towards the user.  I would probably even agree 
with an assertion that the IETF in its designs has tended to place 
insufficient weight on the interests of the end users.
If that is your intent, you need to make significant adjustments in the 
wording.  Personally, I expect that would result in a better and more 
useful document.


On 2/6/2020 10:06 AM, Martin Thomson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020, at 15:47, Joel Halpern Direct wrote:
>> Yes, put simply, I think that declaring that the user's interest takes
>> precedence over everything else is wrong.
> This statement implies that the draft is somewhat more absolutist than it is.  This recognizes the equities of over stakeholders and expresses an intent to *bias* toward end-user interests over those of others.  That doesn't invalidate the tussle, it just places a thumb on the scale; something Dave Clark suggested in his recent plenary talk (apologies for the appeal to authority there).
> I infer from this that you also object to that notion also.  If so, then maybe we will just have to agree to disagree.