Re: [arch-d] I-D Action: draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Mon, 18 November 2019 01:31 UTC

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> On 18 Nov 2019, at 9:29 am, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There's a lot of good stuff in this draft. Just one point caught my eye:
> 
>> 4.6.  Deprioritising Internal Needs
>> 
>>   There are a number of needs that are very visible to us as
>>   specification authors, but should explicitly not be prioritised over
>>   the needs of end users.
>> 
>>   These include: convenience for document editors, IETF process
>>   matters, and "architectural purity".
> 
> I suggest making the last point: "architectural purity" for its own sake.
> There are certainly many cases where the argument *for* architectural
> purity is the principle of least astonishment, which directly benefits
> the user experience.

I like that - thanks.

> Another point that occurs to me is whether the draft should say something
> about user interface issues. Of course that topic is out of IETF scope,
> but the protocol model may affect the UI in ways that have great
> impact on the user.

I think that's a *great* area for discussion.


> 
> Regards
>   Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 18-Nov-19 13:43, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>> 
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Internet Architecture Board IETF of the IETF.
>> 
>>        Title           : The Internet is for End Users
>>        Author          : Mark Nottingham
>> 	Filename        : draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
>> 	Pages           : 11
>> 	Date            : 2019-11-17
>> 
>> Abstract:
>>   This document explains why the IAB believes the IETF should consider
>>   end users as its highest priority concern, and how that can be done.
>> 
>> 
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-for-the-users/
>> 
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-for-the-users-01
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iab-for-the-users-01
>> 
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>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-iab-for-the-users-01
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