Re: [arch-d] Rescoping of this mailing list?

Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Wed, 24 February 2021 09:14 UTC

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From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Rescoping of this mailing list?
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Excuse me, Mirja, but...

> You didn’t copy the whole description. There is one more part:

I copied exactly and all of the words at the referenced link [1].
If that page is not up-to-date, or if some material has been left out, then I'm not sure I'm to blame for missing it.

I guess you're quoting from [2] or [3], which is a fine thing to do, but maybe the material needs to be synched to avoid confusion?

Thanks,
Adrian

[1] https://www.ietf.org/how/lists/discussion/
[2] https://www.iab.org/iab-mailing-lists/
[3] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/architecture-discuss



> On 23. Feb 2021, at 23:57, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I notice that recently this list has been used to make announcements of IAB
> policy such as repurposing/scrapping IAB programs.
> 
> It is good that the IAB is making those announcements and providing reasons
> (even if I don't agree with them :-)
> 
> However, surely these announcements should be sent to ietf-announce@ietf.org
> so that they can be properly noticed by the community. (You wouldn't want to
> find that there was no interest in a sleepy program due to you not telling
> people about it!)
> 
> This list is described as... 
> The architecture-discuss list serves as a technical discussion forum for all
> members of the IETF community that are interested in larger architectural
> issues. It is meant to be an open discussion forum for all long and/or wide
> range architectural concerns related to the Internet Architecture. In
> particular, it may be used to discuss and bring forth different points of
> view on controversial architectural questions. Discussions that drill down
> and dwell on specifics of individual protocols or technologies are to be
> discouraged, redirected to appropriate other fora, or re-cast to discussions
> of broader implications for Internet architecture. [1]
> 
> Or maybe this list needs to be repurposed?
> 
> Thanks,
> Adrian
> 
> [1] https://www.ietf.org/how/lists/discussion/
> 
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