Re: [arch-d] FYI: "ISOC" "New IP" "discussion" "paper"

Brian E Carpenter <> Tue, 28 April 2020 20:35 UTC

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Hi Toerless,

On one point only:

> does not allow Global ISOC members to
>   join by themselves, nor do i know if it would welcome discussion.
>   In fact it is not even listed on the set of pubic ISOC mailing lists.
>   So the nature of this mailing list seems to be secret to me.

You can join but not in the normal way... you have to go through a
strange procedure in the Member's Portal or some such place, where I
believe it's called a "Community" or some such. Can't remember, but it
was very baroque.

I believe Andrew said that there is work underway to change this.

However, I don't see any relevant discussion in the (members only)
archive. Typical subjects recently:

on people not heard (was Re: Language reversion, and an idea)
OneWeb bankruptcy
Interview with Parminder on community ownership of data
Official de-chartering of the Internet Society Ireland Chapter
North-South issues in the Ditigal Economy
European Commission solicits feedback on GDPR's efficiency
Official de-chartering of the Internet Society Ireland Chapter