Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion (was: Re: [Chirp] Fwd: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled)

Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Fri, 03 April 2020 11:36 UTC

From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion (was: Re: [Chirp] Fwd: IETF 107 Vancouver In-Person Meeting Cancelled)
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> On 2 Apr 2020, at 20:58, Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm skeptical about the actual value of what you're proposing
> but as I said, there's nothing stopping you (or anybody else)
> from starting up something informally, which would give us all
> a better sense of the actual interest level and what the likely
> output would be.

Regrettably the actions of the US Government excluded an active part of the IETF community from taking part in informal technical discussions.

If a principled position of the IETF is the inclusion of all competent contributors, we cannot have informal technical discussions until the US Government changes its position.

As far as I can tell, ignoring the position taken by the US Government puts us at risk as individuals regardless of our nationality or our affiliation.

Hence the request for formality in these discussions.

- Stewart

[arch-d] on the nature of architecture discussion… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Jari Arkko
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Brian E Carpenter
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Melinda Shore
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… tony.li
Re: [arch-d] [Chirp] on the nature of architectur… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… John Levine
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stephen Farrell
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Hutchison, David
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… S Moonesamy
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Bob Briscoe
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Stewart Bryant
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Joseph Touch
Re: [arch-d] on the nature of architecture discus… Toerless Eckert