Re: [arch-d] New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Sat, 01 February 2020 14:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] New Version Notification for draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
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> On 25 Jan 2020, at 12:58 am, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> At 09:36 PM 23-01-2020, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean. I don't see a literal question mark near the reference in the published text document.
> 
> Sorry for not being clear.  There isn't a literal question mark.  I'll try and explain the point.  There is the following text: "We embrace technical concepts such as decentralized control ..."  The reality is that the "control" has moved in the opposite direction, i.e. there is centralization.   The "social good" is being challenged because of significant cases of misuse.  The misuse range from the impact on the individual to impact at country level.

Ah. I agree that centralisation is a concern, and the IAB has been talking about it quite a bit recently.


>> As explained elsewhere in the document, we don't rely on end users coming to present their case in person, as it were.
> 
> On whom does the IAB rely on to present the case?
> 
> Is it the governments which represent the users as that is usually what governments do?  There is text in the draft which states that it is not automatic.  Is it the advocacy groups which participate in the Internet Engineering Task Force?  Is it the engineer who participates in the Internet Engineering Task Force?

I'm a bit confused by your line of questioning here. Section 4.1 explains why we need to account for users' needs, but shouldn't expect users to just show up and represent them. So, it suggests some ways we might improve over the status quo. 

No one person or organisation represents' users needs; it's much more complex than that.

Cheers,


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