Re: [arch-d] possible new IAB programme on Internet resilience

Stephane Bortzmeyer <> Sun, 29 December 2019 09:48 UTC

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On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 07:31:34PM +0000,
 Andrew Campling <> wrote 
 a message of 167 lines which said:

> I note however that, for example, the number of people participating
> directly in the IGF is significantly larger than that participating
> in the IETF and that the former group is significantly more diverse
> in nature.

Is this based on actual surveys about participants? Such a survey
could be interesting. Of course, many things have to be taken into
account. For instance, many people in the IGF are just spectactors,
paid to attend.

But the biggest difference is that the IETF produces things, good or
bad (the RFC) while the IGF produces nothing. If it tried, it would

> I believe that it is foolish to ignore this and pretend that the
> IETF can operate in a libertarian bubble,

I don't think that all IETF participants qualify themselves as
"libertarian". I certainly don't.