Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter for arcmedia
Sean Leonard <dev+ietf@seantek.com> Fri, 02 January 2015 13:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter for arcmedia
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Hello all and Happy New Year. Sorry that I didn't respond to this thread earlier--a lot going on with the holidays. I looked at <https://github.com/mskucherawy/docs/blob/master/charter-arcmedia> just now, which I assume is the latest. On 12/31/2014 12:42 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: >> its initial input. It will specify rules for registering subtypes >> under that new top-level type. All of the usual things will be >> considered, including type suffixes, fragment identifiers, and >> internationalization. > Replace sentence with: > > The rules will at least include consideration of type suffixes, > fragment identifiers, and internationalization. Yes, please include this text. (It's not in yet.) With all respect to the W3C TAG work, I find the TAG stuff inapposite. Perhaps it should be considered, but it should carry less weight than formats that already exist and are in widespread use. These formats include: ZIP TAR family RAR SIT (StuffIt) 7-Zip / LZMA Disk-Image Formats, including DMG, ISO 9660, WIM, VMDK I think that at least a couple more formats should be mentioned by name; ISO 9660 for example (seeing as how it is an SDO-based format). I understand the point of TAG, but it doesn't seem much different in spirit, scope, or technical details to MHTML <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2557> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHTML>, except maybe the fragment identifier stuff. In any event, TAG packages and MHTML are not *file* archive formats per-se; they are ways of bundling web content (with the headers and URI references) into one stream, much like message/rfc822. It would seem more appropriate for TAG packages to be classified under message/* or multipart/*. Indeed it looks completely feasible to fold TAG packages into RFC 2557 and RFC 2387 (multipart/related) with Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/w3c-package-directory". The root part would just be a flat text file with separators, basically being the directory of the parts (since one complaint about the ZIP format is that the directory is at the end). If the boundary parameter requirement of "multipart"is too burdensome (a dubious assertion IMO), the format can be classified with message/* instead. The statement "No other work is in scope for this working group" is not necessary IMO. If it is not in the approved charter, is is out-of-scope by definition. Cheers, Sean
- [arcmedia] Fwd: Proposed charter for arcmedia Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Stian Soiland-Reyes
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Stian Soiland-Reyes
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Graham Klyne
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Larry Masinter
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Matthew Kerwin
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Dave Crocker
- Re: [arcmedia] FW: [apps-discuss] Proposed charte… Graham Klyne
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Graham Klyne
- Re: [arcmedia] FW: [apps-discuss] Proposed charte… Stian Soiland-Reyes
- Re: [arcmedia] FW: [apps-discuss] Proposed charte… Graham Klyne
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Sean Leonard
- Re: [arcmedia] FW: [apps-discuss] Proposed charte… Sean Leonard
- Re: [arcmedia] FW: [apps-discuss] Proposed charte… Graham Klyne
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Larry Masinter
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Sean Leonard
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Sean Leonard
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Sean Leonard
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Sean Leonard
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [arcmedia] [apps-discuss] Proposed charter fo… Larry Masinter