[armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-03
"Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com> Fri, 10 August 2012 02:28 UTC
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Subject: [armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-03
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I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq> . Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-ietf-armd-problem-statement-03 Problem Statement for ARMD Reviewer: Joel M. Halpern Review Date: 9-Aug-2012 IETF LC End Date: 23-Aug-2012 IESG Telechat date: N/A Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as an Informational RFC Major issues: The use of the term "switch" seems confusing. I had first assumed that it meant an ethernet switch (which might have abit of L3 smarts, or might not. I was trying not to be picky.) But then, in section 6.3 it refers to "core switches ... are the data center gateways to external networks" which means that those are routers. Moderate Issue: The document seems to be interestingly selective in what modern technologies it chooses to mention. Mostly it seems to be describing problems with data center networks using technology more than 5 years old. Since that is the widely deployed practice, that is defensible. But then the document chooses to mention new work such as OpenFlow, without mentioning the work IEEE has done on broadcast ad multicast containment for data centers. It seems to me that we need to be consistent, either describing only the widely deployed technology, or including a fair mention of already defined and productized solutions that are not yet widely deployed. On a related note, the document assumes that multicast NDs are delivered to all nodes, while in practice I believe existing techniques to filter such multicast messages closer to the source are widely deployed. (Section 5.) Minor issues: I presume that section 6.4.2 which describes needing to enable all VLANs on all aggregation ports is a description of current practice, since it is not a requirement of current technologies, either via VLAN management or orchestration? Section 6.4.4 seems very odd. The title is "overlays". Are there widely deployed overlays? If so, it would be good to name the technologies being referred to here. If this is intended to refer to the overlay proposal in IETF and IEEE, I think that the characterization is somewhat misleading, and probably is best simply removed. Is the fifth paragraph of section 71. on ARP processing and buffering in the absence of ARP cache entries accurate? I may well be out of date, but it used to be the case that most routers dropped the packets, and some would buffer 1 packet deep at most. This description indicates a rather more elaborate behavior. Given that this document says it is a general document about scaling issues for data centers, I am surprised that the security considerations section does not touch on the increased complexity of segregating subscriber traffic (customer A can not talk to customer B) when there are very large numbers of customers, and the itneraction of this with L2 scope. Nits/editorial comments:
- [armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-problem-s… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-probl… Thomas Narten
- Re: [armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-probl… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-probl… Thomas Narten
- Re: [armd] Gen-art] review: draft-ietf-armd-probl… Joel M. Halpern