Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from hosts to overlay edge nodes. Any opinion?
Mike McBride <mmcbride7@gmail.com> Tue, 14 February 2012 20:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from hosts to overlay edge
nodes. Any opinion?
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And what protocol improvements are needed for multicast with overlays? The multicast community is ready to help. Multicast makes us happy. Or are you solely talking about vendor implementation, s/w release, hw support problems? AFAIK multicast works fairly well with VXLAN, TRILL, L2VPN... What's missing? mike On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:05 AM, David Allan I > <david.i.allan@ericsson.com> wrote: >> I have to admit I am a bit confused by the direction this is going. >> >> There seems to be a view that multicast is bad, yet it is a useful tool to permit a significant amount of functionality to be delegated to end systems, and is a part of useful address aggregation in the form of the subnet. IMO virtualized broadcast domains are good things, not something to be avoided, and they permit a trusted resource community to do a lot of self-organizing. >> >> Perhaps you should be thinking about improving multicast, not evicerating everything else. And as a general design principle, I believe that applies to most areas where the tail is wagging the dog in these deliberations. > > Theoretically speaking, it is easy to brush this off and say "let's just improve > multicast", and if we do nothing then that is pretty much what will happen. > However, as a practical matter, there is a lot of hardware out there that > has significant problems with multicast. This means we delay the deployment > of such solutions until the hardware catches up (if it ever does), or let smart > people who don't care about standards figure out ways around it that are > non-interoperable, and worry about about the standardization aspect later. > > Anoop > _______________________________________________ > armd mailing list > armd@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/armd
- [armd] address resolution requirement from hosts … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Mike McBride
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… David Allan I
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… David Allan I
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Mike McBride
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Mike McBride
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Anoop Ghanwani
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Michael K. Smith - Adhost
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Joel jaeggli
- [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: addr… Thomas Narten
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … Aldrin Isaac
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … AshwoodsmithPeter
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … David Allan I
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … Aldrin Isaac
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Igor Gashinsky
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Igor Gashinsky
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Igor Gashinsky
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [armd] address resolution requirement from ho… Michael K. Smith - Adhost
- Re: [armd] Multicast in the data center [was Re: … thomas.morin