Re: [art] Against BCP 190
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Subject: Re: [art] Against BCP 190
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On 7/23/19 6:14 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: > The TRANS Working Group set a milestone for December 2015. After four > years, the work item for that is still not in accordance with the > Working Group Charter [1], i.e. standards-track. By way of a little history and context, 6962 was published as an independent submission as an experimental standard. The goal for trans was to update the protocol through the IETF consensus process on the standards track. However, because 6962-bis has been so difficult to get through the process it's been badly delayed, which has led to implementation delays as well. Log operators have said that they intend to move to the revised protocol within a few years but in the meantime without implementation experience it became clear that it was appropriate to publish -bis as an experimental standard, as well, and we have consensus from the working group and our AD (who, at the time of the decision, was EKR). Melinda -- Software longa, hardware brevis PGP key fingerprint 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F
- [art] Against BCP 190 Rob Stradling
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 S Moonesamy
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 S Moonesamy
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Henry S. Thompson
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 masinter
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Rob Sayre
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Rob Sayre
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 S Moonesamy
- [art] BCP 190, draft-nottingham-for-the-users, an… John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Melinda Shore
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] BCP 190, draft-nottingham-for-the-users… Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Melinda Shore
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Victor Vasiliev
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Against BCP 190 Tony Finch
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- Re: [art] [arch-d] BCP 190, draft-nottingham-for-… Guntur Wiseno Putra