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Re: [art] On BCP 190

Leif Johansson <leifj@mnt.se> Tue, 23 July 2019 19:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [art] On BCP 190
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Hi Mark,

> 
> In short, I'm not concerned about *this* IETF specification violating the BCP, I'm concerned when there are 1,000 specs that do so (which may not be that far away, given how many specs are being built on top of HTTP). 

Playing devils advocate: how is BCP190 then a BCP? I understand there
may be an argument for the B and the C but if there are really 1000s
of APIs that does what BCP190 say you MUST NOT, then in what sense
does this represent Best Current /Practice/?

I am not being facetious.

	Cheers Leif

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