Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190
Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Tue, 20 August 2019 17:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190
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On 8/20/19 5:55 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > * For Adam, there is some question in my mind about whether it > is desirable to clear a Discuss based on a plan about a document > that has not been written yet, that has no firm schedule, etc. I agree that it's not ideal. I'm having to balance the possibility that the end result of community discussion will result in not removing this restriction against delaying the TRANS document until we're 100% certain. Given that we've done a reasonable shaking of the trees over the past month, and no one has dropped out to strongly defend the specific provision in question, it appears likely that the end result will work out. Is this perfect? No. Is it pragmatic? Yes; and you've been championing pragmatism in this thread, so I would expect you to be on board. /a
- [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Melinda Shore
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Leif Johansson
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Melinda Shore
- [art] Is CT single-use origins or not? (Re: On BC… Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Is CT single-use origins or not? (Re: O… Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [art] Is CT single-use origins or not? (Re: O… Adam Roach
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Tony Finch
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Tony Finch
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Larry Masinter
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Carsten Bormann
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Carsten Bormann
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Stephen Farrell
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Rob Sayre
- Re: [art] On BCP 190 Tony Finch
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Rob Stradling
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Melinda Shore
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Mark Nottingham
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Ben Campbell
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Adam Roach
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 John C Klensin
- Re: [art] Call for Consensus: Re: On BCP 190 Larry Masinter