Re: [Asrg] rhetoric style

"Ken Hirsch" <kenhirsch@myself.com> Wed, 07 May 2003 15:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] rhetoric style
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From: "Hadmut Danisch" <hadmut@danisch.de>
> Let's do a simple experiment:
>
> Take the mail archive of this mailing list. List all mails from
> Vernon. I find about 355 within about 2 months.  These mails do not
> contribute. They are jamming the mailing list with wrong technical
> informations, heaps of useless informations, and absurd objections
> against just everything which could bring this group to a result.

I disagree.  While Vernon's emails are perhaps too frequent, I find that
they are on point and technically accurate.  He certainly disagreed with my
proposal (as did nearly everybody else), but his objections were based on
valid drawbacks to the plan and his comments were polite.

That said, I do think that each person should show restraint and not feel
the need to comment on each and every aspect of each proposal.  Many of the
posts are repetitive in nature.

For the record, here is a list of eveybody who has posted 5 or more messages
since I joined the list:
57 Vernon Schryver
45 J C Lawrence
39 Kee Hinckley
31 Ken Hirsch
31 Alan DeKok
23 Michael Rubel/Mike Rubel
23 Dave Crocker
20 Jim Youll
20 Barry Shein
14 Hallam-Baker, Phillip
14 Hadmut Danisch
14 Eric D. Williams
13 wayne
11 Scott Nelson
11 Larry Marks
11 Jon Kyme
 9 Andrzej Filip
 7 Yakov Shafranovich
 6 waltdnes
 6 Markus Stumpf
 6 Eric Brunner-Williams
 6 Bob Atkinson
 5 Olson, Margaret
 5 Daniel Feenberg
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