Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System
John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Sat, 12 December 2009 15:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System
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Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote: > > Let me try and summarize the topics we are concerned about. > > * "Assess operator's policy enforcement." IMHO, the primary product > of feedback processing is to tell how cleverly an operator blocks > reported spammers. It's not that simple, IMHO. Firstly, "reporting" of spammers is badly broken. If the only thing you do is react to spam reports, your reputation is likely to be damaged before the first report arrives. Secondly, the botnet problem is endemic. It's nearly impossible to avoid having some ISP customers (or even enterprise users) let their computers be infected and become part of a botnet. Blocking outgoing port 25 helps, but it's very hard to catch botnet spam going through your "standard" MTA before hundreds have gone out; and some botnet operators are skilled at staying below your radar. Thirdly, fixing botnet-infected computers is insanely expensive to ISPs _and_ enterprises, while botnet re-infection rates are scary. > However, an operator could lie, which is why we need the other topics. I don't think we _can_ enumerate all the components of reputation that matter. Certainly, tendency to mis-state policies and enforcement matters a lot... > Douglas Otis wrote: >> On 12/11/09 6:41 AM, John Leslie wrote: >>> >>> I remain convinced that senders need an established relationship >>> with vouching services and receivers need an established relationship >>> with reputation services, and that the interaction between these two >>> types of services is an area for interesting work. > > * "Relationship between vouching and reputation services." Vouching > must clearly be based on reputation. Vouching based _solely_ on reputation is useless, IMHO. Vouching should be based on more immediate knowledge: are there policies in place that satisfy the vouching service? What is the record of enforcement of those policies? What measure do you have of "normal" traffic for the sender you're vouching for? > Why should it be a separate service, and what are the relationships > between them and with mail operators? Vouching should be a separate service so that the relationship with the (sending) customer isn't compromised. Different vouching services should be able to vouch for different characteristics: percentage or volume of emails considered abusive, responsiveness, etc... >> The focus could be more on vetting feedback sources directed to the >> postmasters using _blind_ addresses, rather than assessing each >> individual message, and have a centralized feedback system that >> publishes related metrics and sender's specific information, such as >> their volumes, their purported types of messages, and their directly >> verifiable sources such as hostnames or DKIM signatures. The direct >> information assists in establishing correctly attributed feedback. This is another item a vouching service might include: number or percentage of emails received at spamtraps. Doug has a point here: spam-reporting is _so_ broken that vouching services starting business today probably would need a network of spamtraps to get useful reports. But IMHO spamtraps are not a viable long-term measure. It's too easy to find out where a spamtrap is and ensnare an innocent MTA to send something to it. (Some spamtraps can trigger on NDNs _required_ by the SMTP RFCs.) > * "Reliable feedback paths." This includes vetting sources, > assessing operators, and establishing minimal authentication > requirements for exchanging abuse reports. Vetting spam-report sources is _hard_. Ideally, the reports would contain enough information, and you'd have access to enough logged information, to verify that such a message was indeed sent by the customer of the vouching service. At first blush, that would seem sufficient to qualify the message as spam, and your customer should agree to stop sending such messages to that recipient. But of course you won't _get_ enough information to say _what_ message and _what_ recipient without an established trust level between reporter and vouching service... There's a delicate balance here, where a vouching service needs to first satisfy its customer (the sender) and secondly assure the reporter that it can be trusted with enough information to be useful. > * "Senders' generic profiling." A rather slippery slope, because we > don't want to break anonymity nor privacy. I don't believe this is a function for vouching services, but rather a function for reputation services that don't have an established relationship with the sender. IMHO the presence of vouching services reduces the need for sender profiling. -- John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
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- Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System Alessandro Vesely
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- Re: [Asrg] Where to send the ARF report, was Addi… John Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Dave CROCKER
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- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Michael Thomas
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John R Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] Where to send the ARF report, was Addi… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… John R Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Daniel Feenberg
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- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Alessandro Vesely
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