Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs

Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> Fri, 05 February 2010 18:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Daniel Feenberg wrote:

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>
> On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Steve Atkins wrote:
>
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>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Chris Lewis wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John Levine wrote:
>>>>>> In any case it hardly matters because POP3 and IMAP are completely 
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> protocols with different constituencies. You'd never have a standards 
>>>>>> effort
>>>>>> that lumps them together in a million years, and even if you did you'd 
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> nothing more than needlessly confuse the programmers of their 
>>>>>> respective
>>>>>> code bases.
>>>>> Actually, we've seen a reasonable suggestion a few messages back that
>>>>> would work equally well with POP and IMAP: extract a reporting address
>>>>> from the message and send it an ARF report.  It has the admirable
>>>>> characteristic of being completely agnostic about how the mail is
>>>>> delivered, since there are plenty of delivery techniques other than
>>>>> POP and IMAP, such as WebDAV, uucp (still handy for intermittent
>>>>> connections), fetchmail, and just reading the local mailstore.
>>>> 
>>>> If we want to sidestep the issue of how to deal with senders wanting 
>>>> their FBLs, the very simplest method of all is to have the TiS button 
>>>> send an ARF to a specific address, and let that address figure out 
>>>> everything else.
>>>> 
>>>> I could live with that even in my odd-ball architecture (which probably 
>>>> resembles other very large infrastructures).  I already do that (without 
>>>> the ARF format), and the recipient address has to be manually configured 
>>>> in the MUA.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd only add that I'd prefer _not_ to have to have the user configure the 
>>>> MUA where to send the ARFs to.  The receiving mail server inserts it. 
>>>> Meaning that the MUA has to be able to determine it's valid.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I haven't been following this thread very closely, but why not just 
>>> establish a standard role account on the MUAs designated POP or IMAP 
>>> server? Such as arf@pop.example.com? It effectively "preconfigures" the 
>>> MUA since "arf" is standard and "example.com" is already known to the MUA. 
>>> The less configuration the better, I think.
>> 
>> POP and IMAP servers don't receive email. If you're planning on mandating 
>> that all POP or IMAP servers listen on port 587, that's a fairly big 
>> requirement.
>
> Mail to arf@pop.eample.com may go to the host named example.com, or it may go

Sorry, I meant "the host named pop.example.com".

Daniel Feenberg