RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2 (was: Implicit Consent (was: Another criteria for "what is spam"...))

"Peter Kay" <peter@titankey.com> Fri, 06 June 2003 02:09 UTC

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:58:57 -1000
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Dave,

> 
> Peter,
> 
> PK> Bulk email is defined as the transmission of 2 or more 
> emails via a 
> PK> primarily automated process.
> 
> I believe that we do not care whether it was automated, and 
> we have no way to tell that it was automated.
> 
> Hence, citing that characteristic does not give us any useful 
> technical guidance for preventing, detecting or disposing of spam.
> 

I'm unclear here. Are you saying that because today we don't try to
detect automation we can't use the term bulk? 

> And the number '2' is certain to be highly problematic.
> 
> 
> PK> Unsolicited email is defined as email where the recipient has not 
> PK> explicitly approved of receiving bulk email from the sender.
> 
> The example I posted about a student sending personal queries 
> to some experts -- and let's remember it does not matter how 
> the student got their addresses -- is unsolicited, but should 
> not count as bulk.
> 
> 

I don't know why you would post about some extreme unlikelyhood and then
use that as a position to discredit a definition. But to directly answer
your question, if a student hand-typed individiual emails and sent them
out one by one to a list of email addresses, that would not qualify as
UBE. It would be U but not B.



> PK> OK gang, fire away.
> 
> bang. bang.
> 
> d/
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