RE: [Asrg] Re: TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking SMTP hard errors "improves" C/R utility?)
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From: "Eric D. Williams" <eric@infobro.com>
To: 'Vernon Schryver' <vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com>, "asrg@ietf.org" <asrg@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Asrg] Re: TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking SMTP hard errors "improves" C/R utility?)
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On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 8:50 AM, Vernon Schryver [SMTP:vjs@calcite.rhyolite.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > A "scaling problem" is one that gets worse with the growth of the net. > The host table had a scaling problem. The size of a default-free > routing table may have a scaling problem. Spam that grows with the > number of spammers on the net is a "scaling problem." Side note (again ;) - This is an interesting assertion. Does 'spam' increase in proportion to the number of 'spammers'? Sounds like a "MAY", I think that is possible. Does 'spam' increase in proportion to the number of recipients [read people eyes] accessible via the message transfer system, include here your favorite messaging technology, e.g. IM, SMS, Rim Pager, Palm? Sounds like a strong case could be made, "SHOULD". But the basis question is what is being 'scaled' the number of messages impacting recipients, the number of messages impacting the MTS or both? AND, is this a result or 1) the number of 'spamming' systems or 2) the number of 'spammers' or 3) an relative decrease in the viable 'spam space' - valid recipient addresses available to some relatively constant pool of 'spammers'? I only bring this up so that each of you may clarify your assumptions on the scaling issue. Additionally, when I make reference to a decreasing viable 'spam space' that is not an empirical or scientific assertion, but an assumption on 'spammer' practices. Please clarify the assumptions relative to the 'scaling' issue, e.g. "Spam that grows with the number of spammers on the net" v. Spam that grows with the adaptability of address 'scapers'; Spam that grows with the number of 'known' legitimate mailboxes accessible to 'scrapers'; Spam that grows ... Perhaps an analysis of these assumptions can provide some insight on what methodologies may be applicable to the reduction of 'spam' by imposing counter-measures against growth factors, e.g. poisoning the growth medium (I think that was the genesis of this thread). Thanks, -e _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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