Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, was Adding a spam button to MUAs

Daniel Feenberg <feenberg@nber.org> Sat, 06 February 2010 22:11 UTC

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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Steve Atkins wrote:

>
> On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Chris Lewis wrote:
>
>> John Levine wrote:
>>>> Make the ARF reporting address a configurable option, but default it to a role account at the email domain of the machine from which incoming mail is obtained.
>>> Now it's not opt-in by the mailstore provider.
>>
>> We need to have it self-configuring if the mailstore provides the 
>> service.  Which either means a standard role account for it, or, some 
>> way for the mailstore to tell the UA what address to use.
>>
>> IOW: pure user configurable doesn't do that.
>>
>> In-stream configuration (via MDA or MTA) would work, but it requires 
>> the MDA/MTA be modified.  Which we're avoiding.
>
> It requires the ability to add a header, for basic usage a constant 
> header. That's a trivial configuration change, nothing more.
>

Also the ability to delete conflicting headers.

Can you do delete headers in sendmail from the sendmail.mc file, or does 
it require the sendmail.cf file? Editing the later will be a challange to 
many small MTA operators. What about other MTAs?

Daniel Feenberg