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Re: [Asrg] request for review for a non FUSSP proposal

Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz <Jose-Marcio.Martins@mines-paristech.fr> Wed, 24 June 2009 18:07 UTC

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Seth wrote:
> Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz <Jose-Marcio.Martins@mines-paristech.fr>
> wrote:
> 
>> You're right when you say that sometimes some people may want to use
>> internet as a private network. But this is contrary to internet
>> philosophy.
> 

Hmmmmm.....

> No, it isn't.  The Internet philosophy is "we ship bits around.

That's what spammers do...

> Interpretation is someone else's problem."

and this is what usual spam filters do.

In your idea, the problem is pushed into recipients. Consent pushes the problem to the sender.

Either way, I don't think we can agree.

> 
> VPNs aren't against that philosophy, they're embraced by it.

Ther's a big difference between VPNs and consent.

VPNs are really private - information about VPNs instances (IP address of entry points, 
protocol, flavour, ...) aren't public and aren't available to unknown users.

Consent users information is public : Claudio Telmon email address is public and known by 
everybody.





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