RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
"Eric D. Williams" <eric@infobro.com> Wed, 04 June 2003 03:08 UTC
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From: "Eric D. Williams" <eric@infobro.com>
To: 'Peter Kay' <peter@titankey.com>, 'Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine' <brunner@nic-naa.net>, 'Barry Shein' <bzs@world.std.com>
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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Could you all and others please forward to me a brief definition of what criteria you would consider for spam. I will attempt to conform the criteria and present that later to the list and as an addition to the requirements draft set of definitions. On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 7:33 PM, Barry Shein [SMTP:bzs@world.std.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > Spam is e-mail from a source which is hard to impossible for > the recipient to stop and/or reasonably prevent from receiving. > > I think the loss of control is very much at the heart of spam and many > other attempts at definition dance around this somewhat. On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:51 PM, Bill Cole [SMTP:aarg@billmail.scconsult.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > Spam is email which is sent without a well-founded belief on the part > of the sender that he has the specific permission of the recipient to > send that mail and which is substantially identical form to mail sent > to multiple recipients. > > In short: unsolicited bulk email. On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:30 PM, Peter Kay [SMTP:peter@titankey.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > Here's mine: > > Spam is transmission of mass email without the prior explicit > authorization of the recipient. ===Some of the prior input. On Saturday, March 29, 2003 2:18 AM, Brad Templeton [SMTP:brad@templetons.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > My current impression of the intersection definition is mail that is: > > Sent as part of a mass mailing, which is to say some > person commanded that mail be sent to more than > a few hundred people > > The recipient never solicited the mailing, nor has > had voluntary contact with the sender in the past > > Is commercial (Many people request this in the definition, > but usually only if not including the mass mailing > component, so this might not stay) > > The sender has not been asked to stop mailing the > recipient > > If was not directly solicited (ie. is sent due to > an existing relationship) the sender adheres to > a reasonable and operational system to allow the > recipient to ask not to be mailed again (See #4) On Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:22 AM, David Walker [SMTP:antispam@grax.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > Messages of a commercial or pseudo-commercial nature sent using fake e-mail > headers and/or underhanded techniques. > > Messages of a commercial or pseudo-commercial nature sent using legitimate > techniques (no fake headers) or semi-legitimate techniques but sent to > individuals who either opted out or never opted in to receiving mails from > the sender. On Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:18 AM, Jon Kyme [SMTP:jrk@merseymail.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > Well (referring to the charter) how about: > A communication for which there is no consent given by the intended > recipient. On Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:52 PM, Eric D. Williams [SMTP:eric@infobro.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > SPAM - 1. Messaging in the MTS which violates best current practices for MTA > providers to assure proper canonical representation of it's originator. 2. A > message that does not reflect accurate information for its originator or that > is transmitted with simulated information nominally used to trace origination > [that's a tight squeeze as it ignores incorrect configurations]. 3) A message > with fraudulent tracking information that is in fact flawed at origination to > obfuscate its origin. > > SPAMMER - A user, company or other end entity that engages in introducing SPAM > into the MTS. On Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:38 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip [SMTP:pbaker@verisign.com] wrote: 8<...>8 > Spam = Unwanted and indiscriminate messages > > Works fine here. On Friday, April 04, 2003 8:55 AM, Jim Youll [SMTP:jim@media.mit.edu] wrote: 8<...>8 > I suggest, but nobody will listen: > > "Spam" - a generic term for a problem in electronic mail whereby > people are receiving messages that they don't want to receive, and > can't stop. The "spam problem" is very simply about the right to be > left alone. > > "(fill in precise language here)" - suitable plain language for a > particular type of sender, message, measurement or other thing > related to the spam problem... one example would be "unsolicited > commercial e-mail from strangers" which can be packed into 'UCE' when > appropriate. "Spammer" is appropriate when referring to a generic > class. "Stock scammer" would be more specific. -e _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Art Pollard
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric D. Williams
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Crocker
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Crocker
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Alberto França
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Hallam-Baker, Phillip
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Crocker
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... kent
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Yakov Shafranovich
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... kent
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Eric D. Williams
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Peter Kay
- [Asrg] Spam Isn't Just Sleaze (was: Another crite… Dave Aronson
- [Asrg] Implicit Consent (was: Another criteria fo… Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- [Asrg] Line Fuzziness (was: Another criteria for … Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... C. Wegrzyn
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Bill Cole
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Beadles, Mark A
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Margie Arbon
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... mathew
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... Dave Aronson
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... waltdnes
- Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... waltdnes