RE: [Asrg] Implicit Consent (was: Another criteria for "what is spam"...)

"Richard Johnson" <rdump@river.com> Thu, 05 June 2003 20:08 UTC

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Subject: RE: [Asrg] Implicit Consent (was: Another criteria for "what is spam"...)
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:53:28 -0600

At 07:59 -1000 on 2003-06-05, Peter Kay wrote:
> However that also means that if you tell Verisign "stop" and they still
> keep sending, its UBE.  If Verisign ever sends you messages about their
> products without ever receiving implied or explicit consent from you,
> its UBE.


I believe there is no way to safely manage "implied consent" for BE
streams.  Consent for such needs to be explicit.


> It also means that if, on the signature of your email, you EXPLICITLY
> state you do not want to receive any bulk email, and they ignore that
> EXPLICIT request, its UBE.


I think that's where your implicit consent assumption falls apart.
Everyone would put a "no BE" statement in their .sigs if it were going to
work to prevent slamming into BE streams. [1]

The reasonable assumption made when sending email is that responses will be
topical and will not, unless explicitly requested, involve a stream of BE.

"Implied consent" interpreted overly broadly, such as allowing the sender
to assume some kind of signup for BE after receiving any mail, inevitably
leads to spamming.

If I don't explicitly and knowingly sign up for a stream of BE, then it's
UBE regardless of what the -sender- claims.


Richard

[1] For example, the one I include on mail to vendors didn't work against
Verisign, or NetLux, or Thawte-pre-Verisign, or...
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