RE: [Asrg] US Spam patents: Partial list
"Bob Wyman" <bob@wyman.us> Wed, 16 July 2003 22:42 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] US Spam patents: Partial list
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David Nicol wrote: >why isn't anon.penet.fi prior art? RTFM... Anon.penet.fi is explicitly discussed in the patent. The distinction would appear to be that this patent relies on computation to generate the "alias" addresses while other systems have traditionaly relied on translation tables stored in databases. In fact, the well known case of anon.penet.fi being forced to disclose one of their translations to the police is cited as a problem with existing art that this invention attempts to fix. For those not familiar with long closed anon.penet.fi site, I suggest that you read: http://www.december.com/cmc/mag/1997/sep/helmers.html Personally, I think a much better question on prior art is why the patent examiner didn't consider US Patent 6,356,935 and several other similar systems to be relevant to this application. I think the examiners may have been too focused on "anonymity" in the process of examination while not realizing that there were a number of other problem spaces which can be addressed with substantially the same method. The solutions to both the "anonymity" problem and the "spam" problem involve constructing "alias" addresses which are based on "real" addresses. The methods are identical even though the reason for deploying them and the words used to describe them are different. The problem here is that in software, the distinction between what appear to be distinct methods is often simply the way you think about the methods -- not anything inherent to the method itself. Thus, a single method can be described multiple times with completely distinct vocabulary. This sort of problem is not as common in the realm of "traditional" patents. bob wyman _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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