Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs

Ian Eiloart <> Thu, 04 February 2010 11:24 UTC

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--On 4 February 2010 04:39:58 +0000 John Levine <> wrote:

>> Would it really be such a sin to just pretend that POP3 doesn't
>> exist/matter? It is a pretty primitive mechanism, after all. Not
>> everything needs to be a 100% solution to be useful.
> Well, heck, we could just tell everyone to switch to web mail and we'd
> already be done.
> There are a whole lot of people picking up their mail using POP from a
> whole lot of mail systems.  Disks are cheap but they are not free, and
> many ISPs do not want to host the permanent mailstore for their users.
> I agree we don't need a 100% solution, but we really need at least a
> 50% solution.

It's simple to come up with a 100% solution for IMAP users, based on 
current mechanisms (flags, ANNOTATE or METADATA).

There may be a 100% solution for POP3 users, but I think it's not going to 
be as good as an IMAP solution, and won't be as simple to define the 
standard, or to implement it.

So, let's not ignore POP3 users. After all, their data will be useful in 
identifying spammers, and there are a lot of them. But, equally, let's not 
try to solve two different problems with the same solution. And, let's not 
delay an IMAP solution while examining the POP3 problem.

> R's,
> John
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Ian Eiloart
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