Re: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2
Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net> Sat, 07 June 2003 01:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 21:40:30 -0400
<ritual line-eater food> During a conference call (organized by, but not limited to members of, the ICANN Registrar Constituency) today, the second of three prior to the ICANN meeting in Montreal later this month, on the perenial subject of WHOIS:43, through all the usual clutter, one germ fell from the USPTO presentation. A rational for (skip the bogosity of) unrestricted, accurate, and intrusive domain name registrant data being available via whois:43, is timely pursuit of bad actors, who switch servers. This is where I want everyone to pause, and look away from the screen for a heart beat. The temporal properties of bad actors. Their "switching time", their TTL. Bad actors acquire, utilize, and discard interdictable resources to avoid interdiction (or interposition of null service by some service operator). I didn't press the USPTO presenter on the common case inter-provider transition window, but I suspect it -- their "hop time" -- is multi-day. In our (worst) case of robo-spam, the A-U-D sequence has a time horizon that is sub-day, even sub-hour (time for null service to be provided on the serviced receiver-set). Presently, bad actors (trademark and/or copyright infringers) are known to "twinkle" in the DNS (jump from web host to web host) to avoid going dark. The signalling system in place is while (1) { IPR claimant -> Registrar::whois:43 -> web host IPR infringer -> new(web host) && new(DNS) } Wearing a Registrar's hat, it is trivial to insert a wait-bit into the data some DNS publisher might check prior to modifying the mappings for a name, or otherwise interpose a delay service on mapping changes for a domain. Getting the arbitrary DNS provider to check is another problem. This gets the last line to this: IPR infringer -> new(web host) && wait(new(DNS)) Presumably, going "steady" allows the IPR claimant to catch up with the IPR infringer, and allow some administrative, judicial, or extra legal recourse to the claimant, resulting in the infringer going "dark". Getting IPR infringers in the DNS to "go dark" is the big win in that problem domain, and as soon as I heard "switch web host" I was thinking about update timers and how to signal between the DNS provisioning and DNS publication systems. Clearly, this problem is not a superset of the problem space we face here, the domain name, or control of the name-to-address map, is not a transient asset with no inherent value to the bad actor, unlike the name, addr, even host for robo-host spam-streams, this is rather, one of the subsets we do face. I'm going to put this in I-D form, I've got some time on my hands before the ICANN shindig. This note is a FYI that some ID is forthcomming, and if I'm gifted, I'll manage not to mention either "whois" or "spam" at all. Note well: Comments about the brain death of whois, or whois lovers and whois haters is a sure sign of stupidity. Ditto anything about the poor hygine of anything connected with ICANN. The only thing of interest here is the temporal use properties of infrastructure mediated resources by bad actors, who's bad actor model does not allow them to discard a resource and acquire a fungible equivalent. Cheers, Eric _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- RE: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam … Danny Angus
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- Re: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam … C. Wegrzyn
- RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2 Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2 Danny Angus
- Re: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam … Vernon Schryver
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- RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2 Barry Shein
- Re: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam … Barry Shein
- Re: *Possible Spam *RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam … Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
- RE: [Asrg] criteria for spam V2 Eric D. Williams