Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via posting (was Re: Iteration #3)

Ian Eiloart <iane@sussex.ac.uk> Tue, 09 February 2010 17:43 UTC

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--On 9 February 2010 17:34:18 +0000 Andrew Richards 
<ar-asrg@acrconsulting.co.uk> wrote:

>
> A further thought: If MUAs use the UIDL / MessageID of the TiS message to
> communicate the message's spam/unwanted status there's not the issue of
> poisoning to worry about, whereas with SMTP/ARF there is the potential
> for  malicious (false) ARF reports to be sent perhaps with the intent of
> degrading ("poisoning") a competitor's email reputation.
>
> I expect this can be addressed in the ARF model (e.g. using some form of
> cookie mechanism) (maybe that's already been covered), but I mention it
> as  a plus point for model [2].

Quite, and nor does the client have to worry about when to delete the 
message. For a POP server, flagging will probably have that effect. For 
IMAP, the "deleted" and "user identified this message as junk" filters are 
orthogonal.

I'd expect both servers to advertise the facility as a capability, so 
there's no guessing as to whether to display the button, and no worries 
about trusting (!) headers in the junk message.

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Ian Eiloart
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