Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via posting (was Re: Iteration #3)
"Andrew Richards" <ar-asrg@acrconsulting.co.uk> Tue, 09 February 2010 17:33 UTC
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On Monday 08 February 2010 17:35:39 I wrote: > On Saturday 06 February 2010 18:37:05 Dave CROCKER wrote: > > ... > > Reports should be submitted using a mechanisms that: > > > > [1] Is the same as for submitting regular new mail, that is, > > normal posting. (Determination of the address to send to is a > > separate issue.) > > > > [2] Is specific to the mechanism for retrieving the message for > > which a report is being submitted. (The details of such mechanisms > > is a separate issue.) > > I prefer [2]. > > What bugs me about [1] is that the whole message is being re-sent, but > we seem to have established that the only thing a spam button will be > saying is "This is spam/unwanted", so sending a report including the > original email for basically a single bit of information seems > excessive. > > If the originating MTA(s) can be persuaded to hold onto [a copy of] the > original message for at least a few days the reporting MUA merely needs > to tell its upstream MTA which message(s) are spam/unwanted by > referring to their UIDLs or Message-IDs. In addition there seems to be > a greater chance of inadvertent disclosure of information with [1] > whereas with [2] we know the MTA has already seen the message. > > I don't see POP3 as a problem with [2] as suggested elsewhere: It could > be extended to include reporting a UIDL (or Message-ID) as > spam/unwanted; unaltered implementations would simply answer > 'unimplemented', which I don't see as a problem: If people like having > a spam button they can persuade their POP3 provider to implement the > server-side part of it or vote with their feet. A further thought: If MUAs use the UIDL / MessageID of the TiS message to communicate the message's spam/unwanted status there's not the issue of poisoning to worry about, whereas with SMTP/ARF there is the potential for malicious (false) ARF reports to be sent perhaps with the intent of degrading ("poisoning") a competitor's email reputation. I expect this can be addressed in the ARF model (e.g. using some form of cookie mechanism) (maybe that's already been covered), but I mention it as a plus point for model [2]. cheers, Andrew.
- [Asrg] Iteration #3. Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Derek Diget
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Chris Lewis
- [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via posting (w… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Dotzero
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Derek Diget
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Derek Diget
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Bart Schaefer
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Iteration #3. Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… BOBOTEK, ALEX (ATTCINW)
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Andrew Richards
- [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus Cal… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Andrew Richards
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Andrew Richards
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] overloading server names doesn't work,… John R Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Bill Cole
- Re: [Asrg] overloading server names doesn't work,… Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Andrew Richards
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Andrew Richards
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Andrew Richards
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] overloading server names doesn't work,… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] who has the message (was Re: Consensus… Paul Russell
- Re: [Asrg] overloading server names doesn't work,… John R Levine
- Re: [Asrg] overloading server names doesn't work,… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] DNS basics, was overloading server nam… John R Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Andrew Richards
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] DNS basics, was overloading server nam… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] DNS basics, was overloading server nam… John R Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz
- Re: [Asrg] DNS basics, was overloading server nam… Douglas Otis
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Consensus Call - submission via postin… Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz