Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs

"Andrew Richards" <ar-asrg@acrconsulting.co.uk> Wed, 27 January 2010 15:48 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs
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On Wednesday 27 January 2010 15:40:00 Steve Atkins wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> >  there is no way that any end-user should
> > ever be permitted to classify anything as spam/not-spam. [1]
> 
> Given that pretty much all operational definitions of "spam" are based
> on whether the email was unsolicited or unwanted, and the recipient is
> typically the only person who is likely to be able to tell whether a
>  particular piece of email is something they wanted or asked to receive,
>  I'm pretty sure you've got that wrong.

Surely there's no real problem if someone mis-classifies a message as spam 
or non-spam: If I'm providing a mail service I would like to aggregate 
results so that when the same message is classified as spam several times by 
different users I'll start blocking similar messages - either doing this 
aggregation myself if I'm a big ISP etc., or using an external service 
providing this functionality.

cheers,

Andrew.