Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs

Ian Eiloart <iane@sussex.ac.uk> Fri, 11 December 2009 10:32 UTC

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--On 10 December 2009 13:43:36 -0500 Seth <sethb@panix.com> wrote:

> Ian Eiloart <iane@sussex.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Forwarders who aren't taking care about what they forward *should* have
>> a  damaged reputation.
>
> Suppose they _do_ take care, and act according to the user's expressed
> wishes to have everything forwarded?

Then the two service providers need to have some kind of infrastructure 
that they can use to arrange for this to happen properly, mediated by the 
user of course.

So, when the user makes the request, the forwarder needs to be able to say 
either "I can't do that, it will damage my reputation when spam is 
forwarded", or "OK, but first you need to confirm the arrangement with the 
receiving service provider, by clicking this button".

What's required is some kind of forwarding protocol, perhaps.


> (This makes more sense when
> there's a chain involved, I give out Address1 which forwards to
> Address2 which forwards to Address3 where I read mail.  I want
> Provider2 to forward everything; Provider1 should do spam filtering,
> including that enhanced by the information I provide from Address3.)
>
> Seth
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