IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...

Dave Aronson <dja2003@hotpop.com> Thu, 05 June 2003 16:33 UTC

Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05560 for <asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h55GWpg19473 for asrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:32:51 -0400
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h55GWoB19462 for <asrg-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:32:50 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05544; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:32:47 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Nxdg-0000uJ-00; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:30:56 -0400
Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Nxdf-0000uD-00; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:30:55 -0400
Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h55GP3B19081; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:25:03 -0400
Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h55GOFB19040 for <asrg@optimus.ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:24:15 -0400
Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05355 for <Asrg@ietf.org>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:24:11 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19NxVM-0000r6-00 for Asrg@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:22:20 -0400
Received: from mail9.speakeasy.net ([216.254.0.209] helo=mail.speakeasy.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19NxVM-0000r3-00 for Asrg@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:22:20 -0400
Received: (qmail 23637 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2003 16:24:10 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.254.124) ([66.92.168.196]) (envelope-sender <dja2003@hotpop.com>) by mail9.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <pdeutsch@earthlink.net>; 5 Jun 2003 16:24:10 -0000
From: Dave Aronson <dja2003@hotpop.com>
To: pdeutsch@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
User-Agent: KMail/1.5
Cc: Asrg@ietf.org
References: <DD198B5D07F04347B7266A3F35C42B0B0D8B96@io.cybercom.local> <200306050854.17767.dja2003@hotpop.com> <3EDF6106.BBF329B6@earthlink.net>
In-Reply-To: <3EDF6106.BBF329B6@earthlink.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
Message-Id: <200306051226.42707.dja2003@hotpop.com>
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: asrg-admin@ietf.org
Errors-To: asrg-admin@ietf.org
X-BeenThere: asrg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12
Precedence: bulk
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Id: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg.ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:asrg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>, <mailto:asrg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Archive: <https://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/asrg/>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:26:42 -0400
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Peter Deutsch <pdeutsch@earthlink.net> wrote:
 > Dave Aronson wrote:
 > > Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:
 > >  > On June 4, 2003 at 15:53 peter@titankey.com (Peter Kay) wrote:
 > >  >  > Yes but we can't define bulk mailing as spamming. But we CAN
 > >  >  > define that UNSOLICITED bulk email is spamming.
 > >  >
 > >  > Actually, I'm not that uncomfortable with defining any "bulk
 > >  > mailing" as spamming.
 > >  >
 > >  > I realize I won't get consensus on that here.
 > >
 > > At least, not unless we can agree on what "bulk" means.  By the
 > > definition proposed so far (sending to > 1 recipient, by a largely
 > > automated means (not counting the automation necessary to send
 > > email at all, of course)), this very list is bulk.  So is every
 > > other.  So are any alerts anybody signs up for.  Where do YOU draw
 > > the line?
 >
 > But mailing lists are not unsolicited, there's an implied consent in
 > your act of subscription, non?

Right, but Barry was speaking of removing the issue of consent from the 
definition of spam, 'defining any "bulk mailing" as spamming.'  I'm 
trying to get a sense of whether he really means that.  The alternative 
is that he was just using hyperbole, and there is, after all, some sort 
of alternate line he would endorse, between legit bulk mail and spam.

-- 
David J. Aronson, Unemployed Software Engineer near Washington DC
See http://destined.to/program/ for online resume, and other info

_______________________________________________
Asrg mailing list
Asrg@ietf.org
https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email