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Re: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:57:25 -0400

On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 09:04:02PM -1000, Peter Kay wrote

> I tried to word that paragraph carefully but probably stumbled. Either
> that or you missed the "and". What I'm saying in that last paragraph is
> that if I've sent you email before AND I've not explicitly asked not to
> receive email from you anymore, THEN I'm implicitly approving receiving
> email from you.

  This reminds me of articles on some of the direct-marketing sites...
The first couple of paragraphs define confirmed opt-in, which everybody
agrees with.  The remaining 95% of the article tap-dances to a
pre-determined conclusion that if you click your heels and dance around
a faerie ring widdershins, then you can send advertising to people who
didn't ask for it, and it's *NOT* "really" spam.  This attitude on the
part of corporations that holds back e-commerce.  People are afraid of
ending up on lists each time they buy something online, so they don't
buy online.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
Email users are divided into two classes;
1) Those who have effective spam-blocking
2) Those who wish they did
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