RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...

Ok, and if you get overloaded with spam then it's only because you're
too poor and unimportant to have a secretary sort through your mail
for you.

Anyhow, you ignored the part about defining what a legitimate
solicitation is, is buying an airline ticket sufficient? etc.

	     -b

On June 4, 2003 at 16:43 peter@titankey.com (Peter Kay) wrote:
 > What you say may be true but its way out of scope here. If your
 > subscribers sign up for email solicitations and that overloads your
 > infrastructure, you've definitely got some cost recovery to deal with
 > but we don't have a UBE problem.
 > 
 > > -----Original Message-----
 > > From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs@world.std.com] 
 > > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:39 PM
 > > To: Peter Kay
 > > Cc: kent@songbird.com; Hallam-Baker, Phillip; Asrg@ietf.org
 > > Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > On June 4, 2003 at 15:53 peter@titankey.com (Peter Kay) 
 > > wrote:  > Yes but we can't define bulk mailing as spamming. 
 > > But we CAN define that  > UNSOLICITED bulk email is spamming.
 > > 
 > > Actually, I'm not that uncomfortable with defining any "bulk 
 > > mailing" as spamming.
 > > 
 > > I realize I won't get consensus on that here.
 > > 
 > > But then again few of you are ISPs expected to just come up 
 > > with the money for resources for every blitz by every fortune 
 > > 1,000,000 company who decides to unload on their (let's say 
 > > for argument's sake) legitimate mailing list hourly.
 > > 
 > > Special fares at United Airlines? Delta? Wham! Here comes 
 > > 10,000 msgs you frequent flyers!
 > > 
 > > Campbell's has a new recipe they want to share? Open wide!
 > > 
 > > NY Times, Wall St Journal, Motley Fool, Salon, etc want to 
 > > send their daily headlines and advertising payload? K'POW!
 > > 
 > > And don't tell me subscriber fees are supposed to cover this. 
 > > There's almost total disconnect as marketeers get savvier 
 > > about exploiting this medium.
 > > 
 > > That's like wishing your property taxes covered the postage 
 > > for junk paper mail. What a stupid idea that would be! Or 
 > > that there should be no postage paid by magazines because you 
 > > subscribed to them.
 > > 
 > > This exercise is kinda like watching legislators make law, 
 > > the OTHER guy's use of tax money is a waste, but MY use of 
 > > tax money is essential to civilization!
 > > 
 > > Replace "tax money" with "ISP's resources" and you've got my 
 > > point of view.
 > > 
 > > This is why, without per-message fees, this system is doomed. 
 > > It's just a matter of time.
 > > 
 > > What we're doing here might postpone doom for a while by 
 > > freeing up resources for blessed floods of bull****, and 
 > > those are mostly my (and
 > > kindred) resources being freed so I have an interest in that 
 > > happening. But in my opinion not too far in the future the 
 > > current e-mail architecture will just collapse.
 > > 
 > > One reason why is because the day you stop or minimize spam 
 > > the so-called "legitimate" marketers from those fortune 
 > > 1,000,000 companies will realize that their message will now 
 > > get through and will no longer be confused with those of 
 > > total con-men and scams.
 > > 
 > > And those marketeers actually have money to spend. P&G spends 
 > > $3B a year on advertising, etc. Need I go on?
 > > 
 > > They're just waiting on the sidelines for you to build a 
 > > nice, level road for them to drive on, for free.
 > > 
 > > 
 > > -- 
 > >         -Barry Shein
 > > 
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 > > 
 > > 
 > 
 > 

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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