RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> Thu, 05 June 2003 03:12 UTC
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"...
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Ok, and if you get overloaded with spam then it's only because you're too poor and unimportant to have a secretary sort through your mail for you. Anyhow, you ignored the part about defining what a legitimate solicitation is, is buying an airline ticket sufficient? etc. -b On June 4, 2003 at 16:43 peter@titankey.com (Peter Kay) wrote: > What you say may be true but its way out of scope here. If your > subscribers sign up for email solicitations and that overloads your > infrastructure, you've definitely got some cost recovery to deal with > but we don't have a UBE problem. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs@world.std.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 4:39 PM > > To: Peter Kay > > Cc: kent@songbird.com; Hallam-Baker, Phillip; Asrg@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [Asrg] Another criteria for "what is spam"... > > > > > > > > On June 4, 2003 at 15:53 peter@titankey.com (Peter Kay) > > wrote: > Yes but we can't define bulk mailing as spamming. > > But we CAN define that > UNSOLICITED bulk email is spamming. > > > > Actually, I'm not that uncomfortable with defining any "bulk > > mailing" as spamming. > > > > I realize I won't get consensus on that here. > > > > But then again few of you are ISPs expected to just come up > > with the money for resources for every blitz by every fortune > > 1,000,000 company who decides to unload on their (let's say > > for argument's sake) legitimate mailing list hourly. > > > > Special fares at United Airlines? Delta? Wham! Here comes > > 10,000 msgs you frequent flyers! > > > > Campbell's has a new recipe they want to share? Open wide! > > > > NY Times, Wall St Journal, Motley Fool, Salon, etc want to > > send their daily headlines and advertising payload? K'POW! > > > > And don't tell me subscriber fees are supposed to cover this. > > There's almost total disconnect as marketeers get savvier > > about exploiting this medium. > > > > That's like wishing your property taxes covered the postage > > for junk paper mail. What a stupid idea that would be! Or > > that there should be no postage paid by magazines because you > > subscribed to them. > > > > This exercise is kinda like watching legislators make law, > > the OTHER guy's use of tax money is a waste, but MY use of > > tax money is essential to civilization! > > > > Replace "tax money" with "ISP's resources" and you've got my > > point of view. > > > > This is why, without per-message fees, this system is doomed. > > It's just a matter of time. > > > > What we're doing here might postpone doom for a while by > > freeing up resources for blessed floods of bull****, and > > those are mostly my (and > > kindred) resources being freed so I have an interest in that > > happening. But in my opinion not too far in the future the > > current e-mail architecture will just collapse. > > > > One reason why is because the day you stop or minimize spam > > the so-called "legitimate" marketers from those fortune > > 1,000,000 companies will realize that their message will now > > get through and will no longer be confused with those of > > total con-men and scams. > > > > And those marketeers actually have money to spend. P&G spends > > $3B a year on advertising, etc. Need I go on? > > > > They're just waiting on the sidelines for you to build a > > nice, level road for them to drive on, for free. > > > > > > -- > > -Barry Shein > > > > Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | > > http://www.TheWorld.com > > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: > > 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD > > The World | Public Access Internet | Since > > 1989 *oo* > > > > > > > > -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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