Re: [Asrg] Two ways to look at spam
Bruce Stephens <Bruce.Stephens@isode.com> Wed, 02 July 2003 14:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Two ways to look at spam
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From: Bruce Stephens <Bruce.Stephens@isode.com>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:53:12 +0100
"Jon Kyme" <jrk@merseymail.com> writes: [...] >> The former would be useful, but I'm doubtful that it would have much >> of an impact on spam. The latter seems to me to rely on the sender >> accurately tagging their messages according to content---possibly that >> would happen often enough that it would be worthwhile, but I'm not >> sure that it would. > > I'm not sure about this, there seems to me (at the most general) to be > only one class of things that need be asserted in a consent expression: How > this message is classified by some engine. Your second class seems to me to > be the sort of thing that's routinely handled by content-filters > (imperfectly, I grant you). > > So rather than saying: > 1. message has html => noconsent > 2. message mentions 'septic tank enhancement' => consent > 3. message is from grandma => consent > 4. message has valid consent token => consent > 5. message has blacklisted source IP => noconsent > etc ... > > You might say something more like > positive_test(name_of_engine_1, engineargs, message) => noconsent > positive_test(name_of_engine_2, engineargs, message) => consent > etc... I guess someone could standardise this (using whatever language they wanted), and there are some kinds of content filter (probably quite simple things---the sort of thing that SIEVE can do, say) that we could standardise on. That might be useful. It's not a solution to spam, though, because some things really are things that can't be checked automatically, so the content filtering will be imperfect. And (if it were to be standardised) we can expect it to become more and more imperfect. [...] _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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