Re: [Asrg] Some data on the validity of MAIL FROM addresses
Michael Rubel <asrg@mikerubel.org> Tue, 20 May 2003 19:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Some data on the validity of MAIL FROM addresses
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Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:05:55 -0700
Yakov Shafranovich wrote: > See RFC 2821, section 3.1.: > > ---snip---- > However, in practice, some servers do not perform recipient > verification until after the message text is received. These servers > SHOULD treat a failure for one or more recipients as a "subsequent > failure" and return a mail message as discussed in section 6. > ---snip---- > > Even thought it might be recommended to do processing in real-time, in > practice many systems do not and will not. We must be take that into account. I agree with Yakov, and would even go further. I think smtp-session reject is falling out of favor and will eventually disappear. There are strong reasons to prefer accept-then-bounce or even filter to reject. (1) Reject gives feedback about your system to would-be bad guys--including dictionary spammers--in a much faster and more reliable way. Sysadmins rightly want to give out as little information as possible, because that's standard practice anywhere security is involved. (2) Reject is a less flexible mechanism. Accept-then-bounce or filter allows recipients to work around certain obselete or overzealous systems. (3) Senders have come to understand that messages get incorrectly filtered as spam sometimes; they no longer expect to recieve an immediate rejection if there is a problem delivering a message. Like ident, smtp-reject has some usefulness inside private networks, but one shouldn't expect to see it widely used on the public Internet. Mike _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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