Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs

Skull <skull@bofhland.org> Wed, 09 December 2009 20:32 UTC

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On 12/9/09 9:28 PM, John Levine wrote:

>> The problem is much trickier than that.
>>
>> If the mail is forwarded at the user's request (e.g. college alumni
>> forwarding-only addresses), then the server to report it to is the one
>> that received it from outside the user's forwarding chain.
> 
> The web mail systems haven't solved that problem, so I don't think we
> need to, either.  Any forwarder of any size has FBLs set up, so it will
> get reports about forwarded mail via the target system.  That works OK
> for me.
> 
> Short of a mythical global reputation system, I don't see how one could
> divert reports to forwarders without also diverting them to spammers who
> pretend to be forwarders.

+1

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