Re: [Asrg] Spam, why is it still a problem?
John Levine <asrg@johnlevine.com> Wed, 18 January 2006 03:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Spam, why is it still a problem?
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>certainly with the various solutions being discussed it should be >fairly straightforward to reject email from problem domains outright >(DNS RBL) or downgrade the trustworthiness of said machines if they >do not meet certain criteria. As a first step, this would allow spam >filters to have a threshold set to block such mail. I can't help but get the impression that you have not been investigating the details of proposals like SPF and DKIM in much detail. If it were easy to track the "trustworthiness" of the millions of machines on the net, don't you think we'd be doing it? >There are a number of proposals moving forward (slowly). Each of these >will help. However I don't see much in the way of actual project >management of this. Who is driving these proposals - what is their >marketing plan to ensure wide take up? Where is a discussion of the >problems bringing them to market? What is the expected timescale for >having these proposals widely available? Where is the business element >in the proposals ? Who argues the case for these proposals versus vendor >specific ones? Where is the viral campaign ala Firefox to get 100 >million people using them in a year (even 10 million might be a start). Nowhere that I know of. So we all thank you for offering to do all this important work. R's, John _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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