Re: [Asrg] Soundness of silence

[SM <[e-mail]>]

At 04:28 16-06-2009, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
>I tend to understand that as different classes of spam. For an 
>example, consider a creditor of mines who solicits payment by 
>sending me reminders. Assume I'm not going to pay and I just discard 
>them. If, by chance, they end up in the spam folder, would I be 
>willing to train my Bayesian filter to avoid that? Probably no. And, 
>are those reminders spam? In some acceptation of the term, yes. 
>Thus, a fax or a registered letter is better than email...

"different spam problems" does not mean different classes of 
spam.  Look at it in terms of user-base and mail traffic.  You also 
have to understand that the problem is not linear, i.e. the amount of 
spam is proportional to the user-base.

If you want to consider these reminders as spam, you have the right 
to do so.  It's unlikely that all creditors will resort to sending a 
registered letter or a fax because of that.

As you were complaining about the soundness of silence, let's see how 
you would have reacted if nobody answered the message you posted.  :-)

>I don't see why such techniques are not amenable to standardization. 
>Actually, there is a couple of DNSBL drafts that are slowly moving forward.

Documents from the ASRG (IRTF) and the IETF fall in different 
streams.  Within the IETF, standardization has a different meaning.

>Yes, that's the conclusion I also reached. Spam is a universal 
>plague and we must live with it. It is indecent to egoistically take 
>oneself away from it. Therefore, solutions to get rid of spam are 
>not wanted, not even discussed. BTW, discussion implies that

The different solutions are discussed but it's difficult to reach an 
agreement on them.

>Being an I-D _and_ a proposed solution emphasize each other, 
>conflicting with the universal plague requirement above. However, it 
>is also important to reach some form of agreed failure diagnosis. 
>Question 12 in http://asrg.sp.am/about/faq.shtml is just too generic.

Maybe there's a cultural problem.  The answer to question 12 provides 
sound advice on what you could do before submitting a proposal.

Regards,
-sm