[Asrg] VPNs (was: request for review for a non FUSSP proposal

Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Thu, 25 June 2009 12:59 UTC

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Subject: [Asrg] VPNs (was: request for review for a non FUSSP proposal
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Jose-Marcio Martins da Cruz wrote:
> 
> Ther's a big difference between VPNs and consent.
> 
> VPNs are really private - information about VPNs instances (IP address 
> of entry points, protocol, flavour, ...) aren't public and aren't 
> available to unknown users.

They are available to allowed users (nearly) transparently. Once it is 
properly setup, users can run "internet" software that uses the 
existing connection --obviously including SMTP.

> Consent users information is public : Claudio Telmon email address is 
> public and known by everybody.

However, it is not enough to set up consent at the local server. Each 
user has to take care of tokens management in order for it to work. 
That's one way that consent pushes the problem to users.

AFAIK, there is no way SMTP can be configured so that a given sending 
location can be whitelisted. One can try and detect what MTA sends the 
message and whitelist specific filters, presumably doing detection by 
the IP address of each mailout. That's much like VPN: being at a 
higher level doesn't ease the task. For example, assume someone trusts 
Gmail's egress filtering and wants to skip content filtering for mail 
coming from there. What work is required to accomplish (and maintain) 
that task, on typical MTA software?