Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records)
Kee Hinckley <nazgul@somewhere.com> Wed, 05 March 2003 03:05 UTC
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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 22:05:04 -0500
At 9:46 PM -0500 3/4/03, David F. Skoll wrote: > > If my ISP is under serious attack from spammers, then some level of >> "good" mail will probably be thrown out with the spam. The only way I >> know of to guarantee that no "good" mail is thrown out, is to not >> throw out *any* mail. > >Or to have a human sort it out. It's not clear to me that human sorting would be reliable to the extent you are implying. Especially third party human sorting. But I've come real close to replying to some messages that looked perfectly fine to me. The information that flagged them as spam was not the content, but details about the path they took, how many people they went to, and other things that a human observer could not determine. But in any case, it's not clear what this means in an ISP context. Companies may find it necessary to hire a human to filter borderline messages that an automatic filter is unsure of, but in the ISP context, false positives do not have a simple solution--especially since an ISP is not likely to be able to afford (in terms of processing time and resources) the degree of end-user customization that an enterprise might (and I seriously doubt any of us want ISPs reading our email). -- Kee Hinckley http://www.puremessaging.com/ Junk-Free Email Filtering http://commons.somewhere.com/buzz/ Writings on Technology and Society I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's. _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Adam Back
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- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Gary Feldman
- [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Peter A. Friend
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Hadmut Danisch
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Derek J. Balling
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Gary Feldman
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Dr. Jeffrey Race
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- False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records) David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Kee Hinckley
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
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- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Matt Sergeant
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Matt Sergeant
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) Alan DeKok
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Alan DeKok
- [Asrg] Re: False Positives Peter A. Friend
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Terry Carmen
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Eric S. Johansson
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Kee Hinckley
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- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Eric S. Johansson
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