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Re: [Asrg] RFC 6471 and "listing the Internet" as a punishment

David Romerstein <hanov3r@gmail.com> Tue, 24 January 2012 18:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Asrg] RFC 6471 and "listing the Internet" as a punishment
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On 1/24/12 1:50 PM, John R. Levine wrote:
>> Listing the world for folks overloading your system is unlikely to have
>> the effect that you want, and is most likely going to impact folks who
>> have no say in the configuration of the receiving mail server.
>
> You may be right, but I have to have some sympathy for BL operators who
> are getting bombed by clueless misconfigurations.

I do not, in any way, disagree with this.

I'm just wondering if there's a middle ground that can stop BL operators 
from being abused by (willfully or unwillfully) clueless folks without 
severely impacting innocent users. Something more than "just sit back 
and take all those stupid queries" and less than "return a response code 
that could indicate a listing for every one of those stupid queries".

-- D

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