RE: [Asrg] US Spam patents: Partial list
Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com> Fri, 13 June 2003 01:42 UTC
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From: Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com>
Subject: RE: [Asrg] US Spam patents: Partial list
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:42:22 -0400
At 06:32 AM 6/12/2003 -1000, Peter Kay wrote: >IMHO: as an a holder of a anti-spam patent pending, I think its best to >let IPR holders approach us. Otherwise you put yourself in the >unenviable position of "authority" on patents. If you just say "these >are the IPR claims that have been submitted to us" that makes it clean >and simple, not to mention easy to maintain. In some cases this would not be true. Take MailBlocks, for example - they are claiming patents on all C/R systems. They have not approached, and since their IP is of very general nature, thus we must approach them to solicit a submission of IPR claims which is what I have done. Otherwise, we might be working on a standard only to find out that it is patented. As for the patents that are covering every nook and cranny of anti-spam, I am agreeing with you. It would be an impossible task to catalog all patents in the world. Therefore, I am suggesting that we should have the following policy: 1. Solicit input from IP holders on very broad business methods patents such as the MailBlocks patents. 2. Request that all members of the group that have IP, submit information about it. 3. Accept submissions from IPR claimants that are not part of the group as they send them. P.S. BTW, Peter, it would probably be prudent that you let us know some details on your IP. Feel free to use the template (http://www.solidmatrix.com/research/asrg/asrg-ipr.html). Yakov _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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