Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System
John Leslie <john@jlc.net> Tue, 15 December 2009 19:47 UTC
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Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote: > John Leslie wrote: >> Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> wrote: > >> Firstly, "reporting" of spammers is badly broken. If the only thing >> you do is react to spam reports, your reputation is likely to be damaged >> before the first report arrives. > > This can be fixed by pushing, perhaps. Reporting huge quantities of > spam may eventually move abuse-box operators. I have no objection to you trying that... But I'd like to have a vouching service warn me _before_ I receive any "abuse@" emails. >> Secondly, the botnet problem is endemic... > > Botnet spam shouldn't be reported... I don't agree. If one of my users is botted, I'd like to know it. (Obviously, there are lazy operators who'd rather not know.) > It shouldn't be accepted in the first place, which would have brought > us back to the question of how does one tell a zombie's disposable > mail domain from a regular one, I don't want _my_ MTA blacklisted because one of my users is botted: I want to _seriously_ ration the damage he can do until he fixes it. > if we didn't know the answer: vouching. But how does the receiving MTA know what vouching service to check? And how does it know whether the vouching service is useful? > When whitelisting will work well, postmasters will be able to lower > their spam thresholds without fear of FPs. Agreed. >> I don't think we _can_ enumerate all the components of reputation >> that matter. Certainly, tendency to mis-state policies and enforcement >> matters a lot... > > I've tried and depict it in > http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Abuse_Reporting > > The reputation tracker appears there in all its invisibility ;-) > (There is also a tentative summary of the previous thread.) A worthy exercise! I hope it gets updated as the discussion continues. >> Vouching based _solely_ on reputation is useless, IMHO. > > Add the lapse of time that the mail domain has existed for, whether > its whois information is complete, and similar "easy" data. Be my guest... it still doesn't seem useful enough to me... >> Vouching should be based on more immediate knowledge: are there >> policies in place that satisfy the vouching service? What is the record >> of enforcement of those policies? What measure do you have of "normal" >> traffic for the sender you're vouching for? > > The policy that keeps jumping in my mind is "I'll ban you from sending > for N minutes times the number of abuse reports I get about you." A useful policy, easily implemented... but what qualifies as an "abuse report" sufficient to enforce this? (The majority of reports I receive concern spam that never touched my network, for example.) > I don't know about "normal" traffic. Perhaps, there could be an ARF > field counting how many messages from a given IP a server got since > the previous abuse report? Potentially useful... but you need the sender to agree to release this information to your vouching service... >> Vouching should be a separate service so that the relationship with >> the (sending) customer isn't compromised. Different vouching services >> should be able to vouch for different characteristics: percentage or >> volume of emails considered abusive, responsiveness, etc... > > But how is that different from a reputation tracker? Reputation trackers lack the sender-supplied information we have discussed above. >> At first blush, that would seem sufficient to qualify the message >> as spam, and your customer should agree to stop sending such messages >> to that recipient. But of course you won't _get_ enough information >> to say _what_ message and _what_ recipient without an established >> trust level between reporter and vouching service... > > When someone reports a message as spam, there are no concerns about > confidentiality of the message's content. We need reports from folks who can't be bothered to agree or disagree with that. > It may or may not be worth to avoid list washing capabilities by trying > to protect the reporter's address; This is why I want to have spam reports go to a reputation service which can satisfy (different) customen their privacy isn't compromised. (I don't know what it will take to satisfy everyone...) > in such respect, it may have no sense to forward a report to both the > sender _and_ its connection provider (steps 2 and 3 in the picture > linked above.) AFAICT, most spam-receivers figure it makes no sense to report to _either_ of these. :^( >> There's a delicate balance here, where a vouching service needs to >> first satisfy its customer (the sender) and secondly assure the >> reporter that it can be trusted with enough information to be useful. > > IMHO, a voucher who determines that spammers are not being blocked > should just withdraw vouching for the relevant mail domain --not doing > so would degrade its own reputation. Agreed. There's a grey area in how long after a spam report is forwarded before withdrawing vouching -- or how many spam reports before withdrawing. This is why I envision a "vouching" report to say "incident in progress," encouraging receivers to give a temporary error. > Maybe individual users deserve the right to appeal against a block, > _they_ may want to know who reported what message as spam... This is what we need to get away from: appeals are just _too_ expensive. > I agree a vouching service may cash a fee from the mail domain they > vouch for. This does not imply corruption, though. There are actual expenses involved in vouching. A fee is needed to cover these in most cases. >... > Providers who don't even know who their users are, are unable to block > them effectively. They are 2big2block, so vouching for them is useless > anyway. No provider is _always_ 2big2block! Some customers will want to avoid blocking _some_ sending MTAs. That's a tussle for receiving providers to work out with their customers. (And of course, nothing prevents a reputation service from whitelisting "all" 2big2block senders...) -- John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
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- Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System Douglas Otis
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- Re: [Asrg] TMGRS, Adding a spam button to MUAs Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System Alessandro Vesely
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- Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System John Leslie
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- Re: [Asrg] "Mythical" Global Reputation System Douglas Otis
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- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… John Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] MUA/Operator reporting address (was Re… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] MUA/Operator reporting address (was Re… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Where to send the ARF report, was Addi… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Dave CROCKER
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- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] Where to send the ARF report, was Addi… BOBOTEK, ALEX (ATTCINW)
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Michael Thomas
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John R Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Michael Thomas
- Re: [Asrg] Where to send the ARF report, was Addi… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… John R Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Dave CROCKER
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin, was M… John R. Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … John Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] More reasons you can't overload POP an… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] We don't need no stinkin IMAP or POP, … Alessandro Vesely
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- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
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- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
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- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… John Levine
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- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Seth
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Bart Schaefer
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Alessandro Vesely
- [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was We re… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Douglas Otis
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Seth
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] We really don't need no stinkin IMAP o… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] who gets the report, was We really don… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Adding a spam button to MUAs Rich Kulawiec
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] Generally workable ways of adding a sp… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [Asrg] RFC5451 Re: who gets the report, was W… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs SM
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs der Mouse
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs Douglas Otis
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs John Leslie
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX Ian Eiloart
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX der Mouse
- Re: [Asrg] Fallback to MX John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] MX, was Adding a spam button to MUAs SM