Re: [Asrg] Email service assumptions and making system-wide changes
Danny Angus <Danny_Angus@slc.co.uk> Thu, 19 January 2006 08:56 UTC
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Barry wrote: > On January 18, 2006 at 09:48 Danny_Angus@slc.co.uk (Danny Angus) wrote: > > A truly effective solution to the real problem would not *require* that > > open relays be closed, it would involve a transaction between the sender > > and the recipient, not impose a constraint on the transport layer. >In other words, it'd find some other way to achieve the same effect of >closing open relays. >I suppose one could argue that simply forbidding unauthorized >third-party email to be forwarded through their system seems a >heavy-handed way to accomplish the desired effect. Yeah, mail should be permited/forbiden based upon the relationships between sender and recipient, but might be actioned at any point. Open relays weren't the root cause of the problem, but they were the place where the least intrusive fix could be applied. d. *************************************************************************** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limi! ted. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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