Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6
"Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-asrg@hjp.at> Sun, 21 October 2012 21:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6
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On 2012-10-20 07:25:04 -0700, Bart Schaefer wrote: > On Oct 20, 9:30am, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > } > } Is there a reason why a legitimate MTA (talking to MXs, not submission > } servers) would want to hop around in its net? > > A legitimate MTA could still be running in a dynamically-assigned space. > In this case it might hop all over the space but probably wouldn't hop > very frequently. By "dynamically-assigned space" do you mean a dynamically assigned address within a /64 (either by DHCP or by privacy extensions)? If so, I already mentioned that and yes, I think it doesn't change fast enough to make greylisting infeasible (but frequently enough to make it annoying). If you mean that an ISP is assigning a different /64 to the same customer periodically (some privacy evangelists are demanding that this should be the default), then this would probably be done even less frequently, and this would most likely be treated the same as dynamically assigned space today (i.e. very likely to be a zombie, not a legitimate MTA). > A single MTA host might have multiple NICs each with its own IP, and not > always choose the same interface for the same MX on retry. Here it might > hop quite a lot, but among a limited number of choices. An IP stack might also choose IP addresses at random or in a round robin fashion if the interface has several. That could be a problem. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer | Der eigene Verstand bleibt gefühlt messer- |_|_) | Sysadmin WSR | scharf. Aber die restliche Welt blickt's | | | hjp@hjp.at | immer weniger. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Matthias Kohrs in desd
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- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Dave Warren
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Bart Schaefer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Tim Chown
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Hal Murray
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Martijn Grooten
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Rob McEwen
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Rob McEwen
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Rob McEwen
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Scott Howard
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Hal Murray
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Jeff Macdonald
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine