Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records )
"Chris Lewis" <clewis@nortelnetworks.com> Sat, 08 March 2003 16:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records )
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David F. Skoll wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Chris Lewis wrote: >>Alan knows of what he speaks. >>See http://striker.ottawa.on.ca > I have a hard time believing that's typical, except for large > companies and ISP's. Nobody's suggesting it's typical. It's just where we're all headed if we don't put on the brakes. There are plenty of reports of in-the-ballpark-comparable experiences with much smaller organizations. Striker is, admittedly, a far out case, where it looks like a single spammer malfunction has led to a continuous and unstoppable DDOS. On the other hand, our spamtrap metrics are what a, say, long-existing[+] 100,000[*] user company looks like after 18+ months of turning off the deliverability of the domain. Imagine if it was an ISP with considerably higher turnover and similarly long life. 100,000 users is a _small_ provider in comparison to moderate to large ISPs... AOL blocks three and a half orders of magnitude more spam than our spamtrap represents... [*] for reasons I won't go into here, what was a 10,000 employee company probably looked like a 100,000-seat ISP on the Internet in terms of proliferation of email addresses. Thank god we got rid of that mess. [+] long-existing? Consider: the domain behind that spamtrap was in the game early enough to get a class A with no questions asked. _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Derek J. Balling
- [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Daniel Feenberg
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Hadmut Danisch
- Re: [Asrg] domain specific DNS blacklists (or whi… wayne
- Re: [Asrg] domain specific DNS blacklists (or whi… Roland
- [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Adam Back
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Hadmut Danisch
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Roland
- DNS is broken, and by extension so is RMX (Re: [A… Adam Back
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Adam Back
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Hadmut Danisch
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Gary Feldman
- [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Peter A. Friend
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Hadmut Danisch
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Derek J. Balling
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Gary Feldman
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Dr. Jeffrey Race
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Alan DeKok
- False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records) David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Kee Hinckley
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Troy Rollo
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Derek J. Balling
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Troy Rollo
- RE: [Asrg] Re: RMX and DS Records Gordon Fecyk - Home
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Hadmut Danisch
- Fwd: Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Dr. Jeffrey Race
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Matt Sergeant
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Matt Sergeant
- Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Records Chris Lewis
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) Alan DeKok
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Alan DeKok
- [Asrg] Re: False Positives Peter A. Friend
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Terry Carmen
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… David F. Skoll
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Eric S. Johansson
- Re: [Asrg] Good versus bad (was Re: RMX Records ) Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Chris Lewis
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Kee Hinckley
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… abuse
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Kee Hinckley
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… abuse
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… abuse
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Eric S. Johansson
- Re: False positives (was Re: [Asrg] Re: RMX Recor… Wilson Roberto Afonso