Re: [Asrg] [Fwd: Yahoo! Mail Publishes Specification for DomainKeys]

Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com> Thu, 20 May 2004 21:56 UTC

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From: Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com>
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Matthew Elvey wrote:
> As has been said before, all the extant I-Ds, including this one, and 
> C-ID can only work against spamers long term in conjunction with
> either
> A)RHSBLs or
> B)mandatory (but not necessarily monopoly/oligopoly) reputation services.
> 

Reputation/accrediation/trust stuff is something that the ASRG should 
probably be looking into. We had some discussions on this in the 
SMTP-VERIFY subgroup before.

Yakov
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