Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6
Paul Smith <paul@pscs.co.uk> Thu, 25 October 2012 16:40 UTC
Return-Path: <prvs=0645E458C4=paul@pscs.co.uk>
X-Original-To: asrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: asrg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix)
with ESMTP id 89B3921F88CD for <asrg@ietfa.amsl.com>;
Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5
tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com
[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wHd-JXDeD24 for
<asrg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail.pscs.co.uk (mail.pscs.co.uk [188.65.177.237]) by
ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2E621F899B for <asrg@irtf.org>;
Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from lmail.pscs.co.uk ([82.68.5.206]) by mail.pscs.co.uk
([188.65.177.237] running VPOP3) with ESMTP for <asrg@irtf.org>;
Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:42:07 +0100
Received: from [192.168.66.100] ([192.168.66.100]) by lmail.pscs.co.uk
([192.168.66.70] running VPOP3) with ESMTP for <asrg@irtf.org>;
Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:28:49 +0100
Message-ID: <508968C1.5000903@pscs.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:28:49 +0100
From: Paul Smith <paul@pscs.co.uk>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64;
rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg@irtf.org>
References: <20121025024859.3176.qmail@joyce.lan>
<A6AF6224-421E-4483-834B-A1F658BEC7C6@blighty.com>
<50891887.50103@pscs.co.uk>
<0D79787962F6AE4B84B2CC41FC957D0B0D22655F@abn-exch1b.green.sophos>
<50894EBB.5090907@bofhland.org> <50895CB6.8030802@pscs.co.uk>
<5089648C.4010907@bofhland.org>
In-Reply-To: <5089648C.4010907@bofhland.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Authenticated-Sender: paul
X-Server: VPOP3 Enterprise V6.0 - Registered
X-Organisation: Paul Smith Computer Services
Subject: Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6
X-BeenThere: asrg@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg@irtf.org>
List-Id: Anti-Spam Research Group - IRTF <asrg.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/asrg>,
<mailto:asrg-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.irtf.org/mail-archive/web/asrg>
List-Post: <mailto:asrg@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:asrg-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg>,
<mailto:asrg-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:40:55 -0000
On 25/10/2012 17:10, Emanuele Balla (aka Skull) wrote: >> Hmm - I've heard talk about this problem of saturating the router >> neighbour table. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what a 'neighbour >> table' is... > Basically, the ARP table, except for IPv6 not using ARP at all... OK. I know what an ARP table is :-) The name 'neighbour table' made me think it was trying to track which other routers were around (ie 'neighbours' of this router), which was strange if that got upset by the number of internal addresses being used. My mental visualisation sees the router as a 'gatekeeper', so the internal devices would be 'occupants' or something, not 'neighbours'. So, I visualised that 'neighbours' would be things on the same 'level' as the router - ie other routers. I've done a bit more reading around on the subject, and am getting there - I think :-) It's tricky since we have no access to any IPv6 stuff unless I use a tunnel or an internal test network, which has always been an "artificial" environment AFAIAC (no local router involved), so doing full scale real-world tests isn't possible yet. > The router basically needs to cope with a given number of devices inside > the /64. Maybe 10, maybe 100, maybe 1000, but a limited amount, compared > to 2^64. The neighbor table must be able to keep track of IPv6-MAC > associations for each device. OK - Paul Smith Computer Services Tel: 01484 855800 Vat No: GB 685 6987 53
- [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Dave Warren
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Bart Schaefer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Peter J. Holzer
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Tim Chown
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Hal Murray
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Steve Atkins
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Martijn Grooten
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Rob McEwen
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Rob McEwen
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Rob McEwen
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Scott Howard
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Hal Murray
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Emanuele Balla (aka Skull)
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Matthias Leisi
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Paul Smith
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 Jeff Macdonald
- Re: [Asrg] DNSBL and IPv6 John Levine